If you observed Jennifer Lawrence and tried really hard to put her fairly on an intelligence tier list she would be safely in the middle. Overanalyzing what she says in any context is an utter waste of time.
Aliens has her beat by a few decades.
Yeah, and Aliens is actually GOOD.
Came here to say this. Why do people forget about Ellen Ripley?!?
It’s strange, because Ripley is like the #1 “I don’t hate women in movies, just bad writing” excuse
They’re transphobes
Huh?
Cannonicly joan lambert the navigator is trans, but i dont think that annyone knows this since it is only shown through a medical file that was in some scene. I dont get why this has annything to do with the fact that people apperently ddont think rippley was a female lead since again most people dont know that about lambert.
Ooh, I thought it was Ripley who was trans. I know Ripley was originally supposed to be a male lead, so maybe those wires got crossed
How quickly we forget Foxy Brown.
What about Underworld ?
Fuck guys, I forgot about this. I’m going to write a strongly worded tweet to Jennifer because I bet she forgot she was wrong too!
Be sure to include some kind of passive-aggressive “joke” about how everyone in Hollywood who’s left of Harvey Weinstein is stupid.
This feels more like she was obviously exaggerating for dramatic effect versus outright lying. In a conversation, I think most would understand that she meant not very much and she was talking about the young adult genre in general.
alien doesnt count?
Alien isn’t an action movie. It’s a horror. Aliens, however, is absolutely an action movie.
Dude, there are at least:
- Alien
- Doomsday
- Planet Terror
- Aeon Flux (edit: not Aron Flux)
- Catwoman
- all Charlie’s Angels movies
- and literally all Mills Jovovich movies
They are not all that well known, but the claim is still complete nonsense.
Edit:
- Ultraviolet
- Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
- Sucker Punch
- Salt
- Pans Labyrinth
- Lara Croft
- Kill Bill !!! (How the f did I forget Kill Bill?)
Oh hell I need to watch at least Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon from that list. Possibly more. But a wuxia film starring Michelle Yeoh? Hell yeoh!
From the lesser known entries on this list I recommend Doomsday. But CTHD is a musst watch and even on a lot of “top X movies of all time” lists.
So I realise it’s a typo, but I’m also chuckling at the idea of a “non-dei” (heavily /s) version of Aeon Flux following the life and adventures of Aron Flux.
Ultraviolet is absolutely fucking terrible.
Don’t misunderstand this list as recommendations, Sucker Punch and Charlie’s Angels are also movies with mixed reviews.
Watched it recently and the over used cgu makes it very difficult to enjoy. Shame cause I liked the whole world itself.
She was widely ridiculed for the quote with Alien as a notable example.
I think the rest of the quote was pretty accurate. She was speaking to gender bias in Hollywood and saying she was happy to be an exception, which I think was fine. But because she said something boneheadedly wrong to tee up the point, that’s all anyone really remembers about it.
You can be wrong but still hold a valid point broadly.
If you say “franchises” instead of movies and limit it to movies where the woman is the STAR and not part of a duo (Terminator and Terminator 2) and goes for 3 or more movies the only other example I can think of off the top of my head is Alien.
Theres a lot of female starred standalone movies, and a decent number of duos, sometimes with sequels. But once you start looking beyond that it gets REALLY skinny really fast.
Resident Evil has entered the chat…
We try to forget those movies exist at all.
You can’t deny the first one was great.
The first one was great, the third one was good. The 6th one was funny-bad and the final one was OK.
The first one was good, they descend quite quickly though.
True, I knew there would be other exceptions I just couldnt think of any off the top of my head.
Sheena, Queen of the Jungle.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047771/mediaviewer/rm3607541505/
Underworld
Or Terminator 2?
Alien came out 12 years before terminator 2.
Yes, I was just giving another extremely well known example that predates Hunger Games by a few decades
T2 came out 34 years ago.
Id even say that arguably that doesnt count.
She was a lead role, but Michael Beihn and Arnie got top billing in the Terminator and Terminator 2 movies. Edward Furlong and Linda Hamilton had “starring” roles but they werent the lead.
Sure, but Sarah was really the protagonist. Regardless, Alien came much earlier
Terminator would be a better and earlier example.
Absolutely does. But they wanted to introduce us to one of their favorites. Which if I must say absolutely is an underrated awesome movie. Gina Davis is great in almost everything she’s ever been in. They didn’t imply it was the first.
As you said aliens definitely predates it and also counts. But the statements that it was the first big female led action movie was just so ridiculous because there are so many good ones that are easy to point out. Just how that blue origin launch with the all female crew was somehow this big step for females in space. Completely ignoring and down playing all the female astronauts throughout NASA’s history.
Fun fact about that: I think it was Mike Mullane who was on one of the first missions with a female astronaut. He found her, obviously, to be beyond qualified, and was just as furious as all the other astronauts of any gender at the dumb type of “how will you do your makeup in space” type of questions she would get from the press.
Anyway, partway through the mission her hair got caught by some kind of machinery, sucked in and tangled up in it, and it was a little bit of a pain in the ass to get things sorted out. She hunted down every single member of the crew and made them swear an oath under threat of terrible violence not to say a goddamned word about it, because it was intolerable that there be some actual negative issue with some reality that was connected with her gender in any way, that anyone could point to as a reason why male astronauts were better.
Then he put it in his book. Of course. Hopefully enough time had gone by at that point that we understood that astronauts can be qualified even if they have hoo-has. Or, well, we did until Jeff Bezos got involved.
Pam Grier would like a word
There hasn’t been a woman action hero actor like Pam Grier, before or since. She’s the GOAT.
Dunno if that counts as an action movie, but she is wrong because there were a number of action movies with one or more women as leads in the 70s and 80s. They were B movies, but still movies!
Debbie does Dallas?
There are a whole lot of sexploitation horror films that would fit the bill.
The internet loves ridiculing women who slip up, or like Jennifer Lawrence in this case, are maliciously taken out of context for the purpose of ridiculing women
“I remember when I was doing ‘Hunger Games,’ nobody had ever put a woman in the lead of an action movie because it wouldn’t work — because we were told girls and boys can both identify with a male lead, but boys cannot identify with a female lead.”
I’m curious how you’re gonna spin that as being taken out of context.
To be fair, I don’t think she meant it literally. I could definitely see how in a conversation she meant little to none which is true.
OK, but how does what you think matter to what she said? You’re not her.
Well, to your point, everyone’s opinion in this post doesn’t matter.
That wasn’t my point at all, you just failed to understand a very simply written sentence.
she’s talking about an attitude studios had at the time. you have no evidence that this exact conversation didn’t happen. fuck, you can see right wing babies cry and throw a fit right now whenever they see a woman in the lead of any movie let alone action.
That’s a pretty piss-poor attempt at an argument. She specifically states nobody had ever cast a woman as an action lead. And as for not having evidence, that fact that she didn’t deny it, and issues an apology tends to imply she fucking said it.
After #MeToo, liberals have over corrected so much that as soon as a woman says anything, you take it as fact. And if that woman is wrong, you twist her words like some MAGA chud with Trump to try and make her right all along. It’s absolutely ridiculous. You know it’s ok to admit that sometimes a woman somewhere will say some stupid shit, right?
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you completely misread the part about evidence.
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you didn’t have to go full MRA but ok that’s a choice I guess
Ah, the good old “if you don’t agree with every woman, you’re sexist” argument. It’s right up there with the “if you criticize Israel you hate Jews” on my list of viewpoints to respect.
dude in the span two comments you somehow linked believing a woman paraphrasing a conversation to defending genocide so I don’t think you’re in a position to talk about arguments
No, I linked calling someone sexist to calling someone antisemitic. If you’re gonna twist words, at least be clever about it, or find someone who is.
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I think some of it is because we love our action women! Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton were fucking AWESOME action stars that were unique, smart and complex; and not just “woman who acts like a douche male” type that most modern poorly written female action stars are.
And IMO they were way better actresses and better written than whatever hunger games was.
Fun fact, the character of Ripley was written for a man, and only once the script was complete did they randomly decide to cast a woman for the part and see what happened.
And yes I completely agree with you. Implications about how Hollywood does things are left as an exercise for the reader.
Doesn’t the internet ridicule everyone who slips up though?
The Internet also takes every opportunity to elevate women, warranted or not. I suppose it balances out.
True. There’s certain asymmetry in how internet likes to shit on women. You would have to be blind to not notice
It is some kind of sport in every single community regardless of political spectrum. The difference is amount of slurs
I always get the death threats quite immediately when I mention being a land lady. There is asymmetric escalation
I’ve been downvoted for my feminist opinions being unforgiving towards men. I hate you for your job title, not your gender.
The death threats aren’t because you’re a woman, the death threats are because you’re a parasite and don’t provide anything to society by hogging up housing and keeping it from being affordable. No land lord/lady has ever provided a useful contribution to their community.
aliens
I wasn’t allowed to watch “violent” movies as a kid, so I missed a lot of action classics like RoboCop, Rambo, etc. But there were a few exceptions we had on tape so they got watched a lot. Long Kiss Goodnight, T2, Alien,… I rewatched this one again a couple of years ago and was shocked at how violent it actually is. It finally clicked that my single Mum was making an exception for iconic kick-arse women.
Kill Bill? or its inspiration, Lady Snowblood?
La Femme Nikita (original French), Alien, and Terminator 2 all had seriously kick-ass female leads.
Mary Pickford “dude wut” Also Pearl White in the perils of Pauline 1914 there’s probably earlier but early film and fire etc
Zorro’s Black Whip beats Hunger Games by 68 years. And we live in a universe where the Tomb Raider and Alien films exist, as well as Elektra, Foxy Brown, and yes even Catwoman.
Don’t trust actors, especially when they are selling something.
they will say anything, it’s literally their job on the promotion circuit
Its almost like they’re fed lines to say and…act?
