Woke up to my computer being updated to W11 from W10, not too happy about that. I want to use massgrave to change my window to W10 LTSC.

I am not interested in Linux.

So, I went to massgrave.dev and did the script, hit 1, etc. It just say something about permanent changed to key or whatever.

So I went download W10 LTSC iso, hit setup.exe and it asked me for product key. I entered my key, say it’s not right one.

So could somebody run me step by step how to go about it? I’m not really tech savvy. I want literal step by step, telling me exactly what to do.

Thank you.

Edit: folks didn’t really provide step by step here. But I managed to do it. I activiated script via powershell and hit change edition, changed it to LTSC. And then I downloaded window 10 consumer version from massgrave and run setup.exe and done. You might have to do first step shown in first part of massgrave.dev.

So my pc went from w10 to w11 (woyhouy my approval) to w11 LTSC, to w10 IoT enterprise. I’m good now.

  • Stretch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    3·
    21 hours ago

    The readme explains it well enough that my son did it when he was 16.

    Download LTSC, install it, run the script to activate.

    Alternatively, you could simply reinstall your owned copy and use Steve Gibson’s tool to block upgrades.

  • whats_all_this_then@programming.devEnglish
    3·
    22 hours ago

    To add to what everyone’s saying since it hasn’t been mentioned (as far as I’ve seen): You can probably disable TPM 2.0 in your BIOS once you re-install Windows 10 so Windows Update will think your PC is incompatible with Windows 11.

    I dunno what the security implications are but it’s been working really well for me so far.

  • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.eeEnglish
    92·
    1 day ago

    You are on Lemmy, which shows that you weren’t deterred from learning about all the instances and stuff. So you are open to learning. So I would slowly dip my toes into Linux if there’s no Windows specific software you absolutely depend on.

    I would suggest Linux Mint: https://www.linuxmint.com/

    This is beginner friendly and for the most part can be operated pretty much like Windows. Slowly, you will get used to typing in commands into the terminal to maybe update and upgrade your system. Online instructions to install programs are widly available to find (install [program] on ubuntu/debian) can be easy since it’s based off of ubuntu/debian

    Now, if you really want to use windows for whatever reason, everything is already on the massgrave website for you to read and install.

    https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media

    Linux will show you how to troubleshoot and use your computer more efficiently and not spy on you.

    Windows will simultaneously spy on you and still shit itself so you’ll still have to learn to troubleshoot. Give it a few years, and Windows will enshitify further. You’re just delaying the inevitable.

    • GiraffeNeckInKnot@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      1526·
      2 days ago

      Pretty much, everyone praise Linux here. I tried few favors of Linux, could never get into it. They say you have total control over it and yet I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands and stuff like that. Looking for hidden files and all. I just gave up. Windows is just too convenient for me.

      • PopeRigby@beehaw.orgEnglish
        192·
        1 day ago

        How do you expect to do anything in the terminal if you’re not typing the right commands? Things tend to not work when you do them wrong…

      • piccolo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        Well… i mean you could just run as root just like you would as as an admin user on windows. But that violates basic security principles.

        Also, you gave up because you couldnt figure how to display hidden files?.. its litterally a setting in the file explorer program just like windows. Ctrl±H is a common shortcut to toggle it. Or in the terminal, the command is ‘ls -a’

        Depending what your doing with the system, you shouldnt ever need to touch the terminal.

        But without the terminal, you will struggle to have total control of the system and will be as limited as windows.

      • lmuel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        194·
        2 days ago

        I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands

        Lmao are you serious? Did you struggle with it not opening the right applications unless you click the right icons as well?

        • Paula_Tejando@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
          51·
          1 day ago

          Dude, don’t make fun. They’re not belittling the system or its users, they’re admitting they struggled with it. I wish all criticism of Linux was like that. People have the right to their choices and preferences.

          • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            1 day ago

            Struggling with commands is absolutely fine and is expected for majority of the users including some veterans trying something new. But the joke here is specifically “They say you have total control over it and yet”… Then proceeds to say writing the wrong command doesn’t let you do what you want. I don’t understand why you would be writing in commands on your own when you don’t even understand how to use it. Just follow a blog post on how to do X or you post a question for help with said commands. Saying telling the computer to do something else resulted in something else being performed and complaining you don’t have control over it is just plain stupidity.

            • lmuel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              4·
              1 day ago

              Precisely this.

              The user is free to use whatever they want but I’m quite sure windows won’t read their mind either so that argument (if you dare to call it that) is pretty much weightless.

      • N0x0n@lemmy.mlEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        Yeah Lemmy is very Linux oriented :). Though I do agree Linux is harder to get into but that’s not because GNU/Linux is difficult, it’s because we were so much accustomed to how Windows work !

        I don’t really remember because it has been ages, but I’m sure my first steps with Windows 98 where awful and not easy and intuitive at all !

        Linux has a lot of issues so does Windows (and MacOS) and learning a whole new paradigm of a working system takes time and some investement, but after you get the basic gists, Linux gives you total control of everything ! (Like to see hidden directories is like Windows, just a check box to show hidden files :) don’t need a CLI for that)

        You rarely need the use of the Terminal when on easier distributions like PopOS or Ubuntu (while I wouldn’t suggest the later), However if you tried more difficult distribution first (like arch and derivatives), CLI is mandatory !

        Not saying YOU should switch, do whatever makes you happy, more productive and vibes with your current needs/feeling…

        However, If you feel the need to switch the Linux community will always welcome you :) Keep in mind, there are good people and a**holes everywhere !

        Glad you solved your issue with massgrave, which is a great tool :) ! Have fun with your system !

        Edit: Sorry for the off topic XD discussion got a bit heated up haha ! I’m kinda surprised it didn’t got deleted !

      • brax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        163·
        2 days ago

        ls to list files
        ls -a to list all files (including hidden)
        ls -l to list files with their attributes
        ls -la to list all files with their attributes

        You can add a path after the command and parameters if you want to look in a folder you’re not in.

        Don’t hate the OS for a skill issue, learn the basics, it’s way more efficient and you can even bring some of it back to Windows in PowerShell.

        Linux is way easier to use once you break up with Windows. Hell, you can pretty much bump around in just the desktop environment if you really wanted - especially in something like Ubuntu where there are GUI applications for like everything.

      • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
        86·
        2 days ago

        They say you have total control over it

        You do.

        yet I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands

        I mean, would you prefer the terminal simply guess at what you’re trying to do and execute random commands?

        Looking for hidden files and all.

        [xanza@dev ~]$ ll
total 76
drwxr-sr-x   11 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 15 02:05 ./
drwxr-xr-x    4 root     root          4096 Mar 10 22:16 ../
-rw-------    1 xanza    xanza         8677 Mar 15 02:05 .bash_history
-rw-r--r--    1 xanza    xanza          887 Mar 13 19:26 .bashrc
drwxr-sr-x    5 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 12 22:37 .cache/
-rw-r--r--    1 xanza    xanza          484 Mar 15 01:38 .caddy
drwxr-sr-x    9 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 12 22:32 .config/
drwx--S---    3 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 11 21:23 .docker/
-rw-r--r--    1 xanza    xanza           52 Mar 10 23:13 .gitconfig
drwxr-sr-x    3 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 10 23:05 .go/
drwxr-sr-x    6 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 12 18:47 .local/
-rw-r--r--    1 xanza    xanza           49 Mar 10 23:41 .profile
drwxr-sr-x    2 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 10 22:38 .sockets/
drwxr-sr-x    2 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 10 22:27 .ssh/
drwxr-sr-x    3 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 15 01:20 .vim/
drwxr-sr-x    4 xanza    xanza         4096 Mar 10 23:08 go/
-rw-r--r--    1 xanza    xanza          267 Mar 12 18:31 justfile

        Hidden files in *nix are dotfiles; files which are literally hidden from view because they’re appended with a ..

  • DesolateMood@lemm.eeEnglish
    26·
    3 days ago

    I’m pretty sure your supposed to set up W10 first (press “I don’t have a product key”) and then run the script after it puts you in

  • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.caEnglish
    22·
    3 days ago

    You have to install Windows LTSC fresh then run massgrave. Product keys for the versions of Windows are different

  • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
    81·
    2 days ago

    You can’t really downgrade Windows.

    If you’ve downloaded Windows 10 LTSC from massgrave, then you need to burn it to a CD (lol) or put it on a USB drive and completely re-install Windows.

    Then when you’ve setup windows, execute the massgrave script to activate windows permanently. Then, while you’re at it, you can grab Privatezilla which allows you to completely disable forced windows updates so this won’t happen to you again.

    • mayooooo@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 day ago

      He should be able to revert for some time, but the way to do that should be easy to google. If this isn’t trolling?

      • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        1 day ago

        It’s not possible to in place downgrade from Windows 11 to Windows 10 without significant issues.

        While it’s technically possible by the broadest definition of available Microsoft offers no guarantee or support for it as a feature. I’ve personally tried it several times and never had it be successful.

        I cannot possibly discourage you enough from attempting it.

  • Moonrise2473@feddit.itEnglish
    94·
    3 days ago

    You need to wipe your drive and reinstall windows in order to switch to the ltsc branch.

    This said, are you aware that windows 10 dies in October and any security issues (~50 discovered every month, although not all very serious) won’t get patched anymore?

    Better get used now to w11 or Linux rather than next year after automatically getting a ransomware and losing all your data after visiting a dodgy site

        • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          2 days ago

          Just FYI. Microsoft Windows IoT is Microsoft Windows Enterprise. They are the same thing. Saying “IOT does” as if they’re not the same thing is incorrect.

          • 0ndead@infosec.pubEnglish
            4·
            2 days ago

            There’s LTSC and LTSC IOT. And they’re both Enterprise. The difference is 5 years support and 10 years support.

      • Moonrise2473@feddit.itEnglish
        22·
        2 days ago

        Only if you install w10 1809 that was released in 2018. It is ancient and missing so many features that’s almost using another operating system. But at least will get security updates until 2028

        Otherwise they altered the deal, latest ltsc was released in 2021 with only 5 years of security updates

      • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        On the Enterprise channel, it does. Until 2032, IIRC. So you’ll need either Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, or Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC.

        • Moonrise2473@feddit.itEnglish
          13·
          2 days ago

          2032 is only for iot version that’s designed for ATM and similar appliances, missing too many features to be considered a good alternative

          • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
            1·
            1 day ago

            what features does it miss? it is perfectly capable of running firefox, steamd and games, and whatever else.
            it does not have that crap microsoft store, that’s it. but if you really need it, you can install it and then it’s there.

          • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            2 days ago
            1. IoT was not designed at all for ATMs. Windows IoT, also known as Windows embedded was designed for low power, embedded systems which in exactly zero ways describes ATMs. The banking industry has decided to use this version of Windows because it comes with the features they need with the longest support channel. That’s it. IoT was not designed for ATMs.
            2. Windows IoT is Windows Enterprise. They are the same thing:

            Windows IoT Enterprise is a full version of Windows Enterprise that delivers enterprise manageability and security to IoT solutions. 1

            Windows Enterprise (including Windows IoT) LTSC ends mainstream support Jan 12, 2027, and security updates will continue until 2032.

    • Night Monkey@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      I’ve read somewhere that Microsoft will be charging for extended windows 10 support. And I’ve also read that somebody is planning a project to be able to download the windows 10 extended support patches without Microsoft. Can’t remember where I read it