• tane69@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Kinda crazy it took so much debate to admit what anyone with a conscience can see clearly

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      2 days ago

      I agree with you in principle, but I’m actually glad Wikipedia took their time on this. Makes them seem more credible and trustworthy. Especially when people still accuse them of bias all the time.

    • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Wikipedia is a free for all with the last say from a moderator who may or may not be biased. Most of them from are from the west want to shape their own version of history while staying under the radar using biased sources.

      This was a case where they couldn’t just sway away from the thousands of videos, news, and reports by independent international organizations. If all the news networks and social media were from the west, they would have very much swept it under the rug.

      They’re only speaking out now because their hypocrisy is now in the open.

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        Where’s all this hate against Wikipedia from? First off Wikipedia moved the article from “Allegations…” to "Gaza genocide back in May 2024, not just now. Secondly, moderators (assuming you mean administrators) do not have more say than others in content decisions. Thirdly, what you’re describing is referred to within WP as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute#POV_pushing, and I do not see any failings of the current procedure to address this.

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          Where’s all this hate against Wikipedia from?

          From:

          Most of them from are from the west want to shape their own version of history…

          AKA Wikipedia writing something specific people don’t want to hear, therefore the Wikipedia system must be fundamentally broken and biased.


          Wikipedia is far from perfect, but they are cognisant of that. That’s kinda the point. English Wikipedia undoubtedly has a Western slant too, but that doesn’t nullify their system that’s held up reasonably well as the internet burns down around them.

  • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241108-its-not-close-israel-committing-genocide-concludes-wikipedia-ending-editorial-debate/

    ‘It’s not close’ – Israel committing genocide concludes Wikipedia ending editorial debate

    Wikipedia has officially added “Gaza genocide” to its “List of Genocides” page, marking a major shift in how Israel’s aggression on the besieged enclave is being documented on the world’s largest online encyclopaedia.

    The addition, which now appears as the first entry due to the list’s reverse chronological order, comes after months of extensive debate among the platform’s editors. On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”

    The entry for “List of genocides,” Wikipedia states that “Israel has been accused by experts, governments, UN agencies and non-governmental organisations of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian population during its invasion and bombing of Gaza during the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.” The page goes on to list the death toll in Gaza while mentioning that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians killed are civilians.

    The decision to include the Gaza genocide in the list followed Wikipedia’s formal Request for Comment process, which began in July. Editors supporting the inclusion argued that it met the page’s criteria of events “classified by significant scholarship” as genocide. They also pointed out that the Gaza situation had stronger scholarly consensus than some existing entries on the list, such as the Darfur and Rohingya genocides.

    British Wikipedian, Stuart Marshall, made the final ruling in September, decisively supporting the article’s inclusion. “Based on the strength of the arguments … and it’s not close … I discarded the argument that scholars haven’t reached a conclusion on whether the Gaza genocide is really taking place”, Marshall wrote in his decision. “The matter remains contested, but there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources linked in this discussion that show a clear predominance of academics who say that it is.”

    Marshall concluded his ruling with the straightforward statement: “We follow the scholars.”

    According to Wikipedia, events qualify as a genocide if they have been classified as such by “significant scholarship.”

    Wikipedia’s decision comes amid wider discussions about source reliability, particularly regarding Israel and Palestine. In a related move, the platform’s editors recently voted to declare the Anti-Defamation League “generally unreliable” on the subject, adding it to their list of banned and partially banned sources.

  • UltraBlack@lemmy.world
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    The Hamas wikipedia article mentions that hundreds of experts around the world see Hamas as commiting a genocide against Israelis 👍