I understand the “but I like TikTok” crowd, but China bans US companies from operating in China all the time. Why is it all of a sudden a problem when we do it to them?
Russia and China are waging a war against the west, and we are standing with our pants down, pretending that everything is fine.
TikTok is a drop in the bucket, but we need to stand up and fight back against those who consider us their enemy.
No need to start shooting, but we should at least give Chinese corporations the same obstacles that they give US&EU ones if they want to do business in China:
It makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the US, but a lot of countries will likely have the same debate about not only TikTok, but american social media sites and their influence on their democracies now. Especially giving the timing. Not only is Xitter known to shrug off EU regulations in actively pushing disinformation campaigns but apparently Facebook and Google are joining in too now. All the while there’s a war happening in Europe right now. The EU could make the wise decision to make the same demands to those companies that the US made towards TikTok. For our own safety.
Where’s the evidence that it’s “counter intelligence” I hear a lot of completely unverified claims that sound like 1950s reds under the bed nationalist hysteria
Sorry, I meant disinformation : Disinformation is a form of offensive counterintelligence via deception and neutralization in order to strategically manipulate an audience or create further fractures in existing divisions. Disinformation strategies include leaking, lying, seeding, and smearing.
TikTok doesn’t have any worse misinformation and disinformation issues than YouTube and Facebook. And The latest policy changes in Facebook indicate they’re going to go squarely into misinformation without any fact checking.
Disinformation is an excuse to ban the platform. Zuckerberg has been lobbying Congress for a long time to ban them while pushing his platform to be able to do exactly what he claims they’re doing.
There’s a lot of reasons to hate TikTok, but this disinformation stuff is nothing but red herring to get them banned because they’re competition.
I think he does a good job at explaining both sides and calling for a root-cause solution, but he’s definitely leaving out an important piece: the data collected by all the US social media companies can’t just be taken by the US government. They need reasonable causes and go through channels where their access should be checked before they can get their hands on the data. The Chinese government, on the other hand, can just compel TikTok to hand over the data they want.
I don’t like the data overreach by all big us tech companies, but at least their data has some safety rails around its usage.
I understand the “but I like TikTok” crowd, but China bans US companies from operating in China all the time. Why is it all of a sudden a problem when we do it to them?
Russia and China are waging a war against the west, and we are standing with our pants down, pretending that everything is fine.
TikTok is a drop in the bucket, but we need to stand up and fight back against those who consider us their enemy.
No need to start shooting, but we should at least give Chinese corporations the same obstacles that they give US&EU ones if they want to do business in China:
It makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the US, but a lot of countries will likely have the same debate about not only TikTok, but american social media sites and their influence on their democracies now. Especially giving the timing. Not only is Xitter known to shrug off EU regulations in actively pushing disinformation campaigns but apparently Facebook and Google are joining in too now. All the while there’s a war happening in Europe right now. The EU could make the wise decision to make the same demands to those companies that the US made towards TikTok. For our own safety.
I mean, they absolutely should.
I would appreciate that, as person living in EU
Same here!
So is the argument now we should act like China? Thought this was America, land of freedom of speech or whatever.
Unironically, I think most people who are going to Red Note might think so.
Facebook had less than a million users in China before it was banned in 2009. It was struggling against domestic platforms like Webo.
TikTok has 150 million active monthly users and is one of the largest social media apps in the US.
Number of users is not a valid argument on this type of debate
The fact that a counter-intelligence campaign has so many users is exactly why it needs to be banned
A. Counter-Intelligence is when you are countering intelligence gathering activities.
B. Nobody has released any evidence that TikTok is an intelligence gathering tool.
C. This law is unconstitutional by the plain text of the Constitution. SCOTUS has truly gone over the edge.
Where’s the evidence that it’s “counter intelligence” I hear a lot of completely unverified claims that sound like 1950s reds under the bed nationalist hysteria
Misinformation is counter-intelligence, lots of evidence out there, search “TikTok misinformation”
Sorry, I meant disinformation : Disinformation is a form of offensive counterintelligence via deception and neutralization in order to strategically manipulate an audience or create further fractures in existing divisions. Disinformation strategies include leaking, lying, seeding, and smearing.
TikTok doesn’t have any worse misinformation and disinformation issues than YouTube and Facebook. And The latest policy changes in Facebook indicate they’re going to go squarely into misinformation without any fact checking.
Disinformation is an excuse to ban the platform. Zuckerberg has been lobbying Congress for a long time to ban them while pushing his platform to be able to do exactly what he claims they’re doing.
There’s a lot of reasons to hate TikTok, but this disinformation stuff is nothing but red herring to get them banned because they’re competition.
I think tiktok should probably be banned, but I think that “it’s ok because the chinese government does it” is a pretty flimsy argument.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5CZNlaeZAtw John Oliver will describe it best
I think he does a good job at explaining both sides and calling for a root-cause solution, but he’s definitely leaving out an important piece: the data collected by all the US social media companies can’t just be taken by the US government. They need reasonable causes and go through channels where their access should be checked before they can get their hands on the data. The Chinese government, on the other hand, can just compel TikTok to hand over the data they want.
I don’t like the data overreach by all big us tech companies, but at least their data has some safety rails around its usage.
Because US government is weak! Trump will show’em how it is done. If Trump lets Tik Tok to continue to exist then Trump is weak!