That must be a mistake. Are there any Finish people on Lemmy? I’d like to know if they are observing this on the ground, because honestly, if every 4th person had Linux there it would be somewhat visible. Even non-techies in the family or friend circle would mention it or ask about switching to it, or there would be a popular store to buy stuff with linux pre-installed.
I’m obviously limited to my own bubble, but my friends / aquintances consist mostly of “tech aware” people and they have been getting cozy with Fedora and Linux Mint due to the BuyFromEU/BuyFromEurope movement.
I know from a few schools that they use ChromeBooks since corona pandemic (they were handing them to kids so everyone could equally attend remotely) and they just kept using them since they had them when they returned to classrooms. I don’t know how widespread this is and don’t know if chromebooks count towards linux desktop stats?
the debate basically comes down to “technically linux” (ie, it runs on the linux kernal like chrome os and android) and “spiritually linux” (ie, you, the end user, are the ultimate owner of the hardware and the software that runs on it). i think if we’re talking the latter chromeos belongs less than windows does. however for a stat collector this may be an impossible ask
the debate basically comes down to “technically linux” (ie, it runs on the linux kernal like chrome os and android) and “spiritually linux” (ie, you, the end user, are the ultimate owner of the hardware and the software that runs on it).
This is why Stallman tried to insist on “GNU/”. As usual, he was right.
Another finn chiming in, linux user for about 1.5 years. Another friend of mine started dual booting recently.
Wouldn’t say it’s common to use Linux at all.
Yeah that stat is almost certainly a measurement artifact - these browser-based surveys only track user-agent strings which can be spoofed, and some Finnish university or government network probably changed their default config or started running a massive scraper project lol.
That seems highly unlikely to me. Could a reason be website scrapers for AI using different user agents to prevent being blocked? The recent reports of different projects plagued by scrapers fit the timeline
Yeah i read that too. But how well is it working? I mean that’s what the news was all about the last few months. A lot off projects were having trouble blocking the bots because they were trying and succeeded to circumvent detection measures.
Yeah, that’s a good question. I don’t remember reading any documentation from Statcounter speaking about how well that bot detection and removal algorithms work. The last company I worked for did data collection, as we recorded all kinds of metrics from users. We had a team that focused on bot detection. Mostly it involved discovering the bot net and then removing all of their metrics that were accounted for in the system. Then updating the bloom filters so that any further metrics from the known bots would be ignored. Companies were paying millions of dollars for our contracts and every click was getting itemized and charged for. So, trust me, it was very important for my old company to discover and eliminate bots aggressively.
Statcounters sells their statistics and not the data from what I understand. So it does beg the question, how aggressive are they?!
In Finland, Linux market share has jumped from 4% to 24% within the last 6 months.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/finland
That must be a mistake. Are there any Finish people on Lemmy? I’d like to know if they are observing this on the ground, because honestly, if every 4th person had Linux there it would be somewhat visible. Even non-techies in the family or friend circle would mention it or ask about switching to it, or there would be a popular store to buy stuff with linux pre-installed.
Anti Commercial-AI license
I’m obviously limited to my own bubble, but my friends / aquintances consist mostly of “tech aware” people and they have been getting cozy with Fedora and Linux Mint due to the BuyFromEU/BuyFromEurope movement.
I know from a few schools that they use ChromeBooks since corona pandemic (they were handing them to kids so everyone could equally attend remotely) and they just kept using them since they had them when they returned to classrooms. I don’t know how widespread this is and don’t know if chromebooks count towards linux desktop stats?
There seems to be some debate on whether we are counting Chromebooks as Linux.
the debate basically comes down to “technically linux” (ie, it runs on the linux kernal like chrome os and android) and “spiritually linux” (ie, you, the end user, are the ultimate owner of the hardware and the software that runs on it). i think if we’re talking the latter chromeos belongs less than windows does. however for a stat collector this may be an impossible ask
I would put ChromeOS in it’s own category just because it is so different than the other Linux variants, just as MacOS is so different than the rest.
Windows, Linux, MacOS, ChromeOS
This is why Stallman tried to insist on “GNU/”. As usual, he was right.
Chromeos is counted seperatly with ~1,25%
Ah okay so that’s not it. Thanks for clarifying.
Another finn chiming in, linux user for about 1.5 years. Another friend of mine started dual booting recently. Wouldn’t say it’s common to use Linux at all.
Sopuli.xyz is run from Finland, so probably yes.
Yeah that stat is almost certainly a measurement artifact - these browser-based surveys only track user-agent strings which can be spoofed, and some Finnish university or government network probably changed their default config or started running a massive scraper project lol.
That seems highly unlikely to me. Could a reason be website scrapers for AI using different user agents to prevent being blocked? The recent reports of different projects plagued by scrapers fit the timeline
If you read the FAQ, Statcounter detects and removes bot data.
Yeah i read that too. But how well is it working? I mean that’s what the news was all about the last few months. A lot off projects were having trouble blocking the bots because they were trying and succeeded to circumvent detection measures.
Yeah, that’s a good question. I don’t remember reading any documentation from Statcounter speaking about how well that bot detection and removal algorithms work. The last company I worked for did data collection, as we recorded all kinds of metrics from users. We had a team that focused on bot detection. Mostly it involved discovering the bot net and then removing all of their metrics that were accounted for in the system. Then updating the bloom filters so that any further metrics from the known bots would be ignored. Companies were paying millions of dollars for our contracts and every click was getting itemized and charged for. So, trust me, it was very important for my old company to discover and eliminate bots aggressively.
Statcounters sells their statistics and not the data from what I understand. So it does beg the question, how aggressive are they?!
Wow, that’s crazy. Any particular reason for that?
Love for penguins
Wow! What caused that? Orange man?
I have no idea, but it does match the Orange timeline.
If you look back in 2022, you see the same ramp up. I expect ramp down soon.
yes. disassociating tech stacks from fascists enablers like FB/google/M$.