That’s fine, a human or any other life too only grow until they die.

The problem is that some companies don’t die when they should.

That includes Microsoft and Apple and Intel, among others.

I actually like potatoes, the safest food in terms of digestion and, sorry, body odors. With some sunflower or olive oil and salt potatoes are actually delicious. Add just some beef or herring, and some raw onions cut in rings (preferably the red sweet ones, but not necessarily), and maybe some thyme, and it becomes the food that should be.

Except I’m too lazy to go grocery shopping for that herring alone.

As I said, it’s a baseline for Turkey. Relative to that baseline he’s almost an Islamist, yep. Relative to it he was also a liberal initially.

Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!

You mean Mustafa Kemal had no ill will when his army was massacring 200k Armenians in Kars and further during Turkish-Armenian war of 1920? Or burning Smyrna with its inhabitants?

The best argument in favor of any pessimism about future is how Westerners conditioned to know that Hitler is bad, very bad, praise Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. BTW, in kinda similar terms to the popular praise of Hitler in English-speaking countries before the war.

As a person he was absolutely not better, however he was intelligent enough to pick achievable goals.

I know, it’s basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.

If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that’d be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.

Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.

No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.

So - Erdogan’s Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.

Well, compare setting up replication under Oracle and PGSQL.

Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I’ll even agree he’s kinda better than many other variants.

I don’t get your confusion.

Sun buys StarOffice, Sun opensources it into OpenOffice and supports its development, Sun goes under and gets bought by Oracle with all its stuff.

Then yeah, Oracle killed most of what Sun was doing altruistically (or as part of their desktop\workstation strategy that didn’t transpire, who knows). Including OOO.

with a database and a tech company attached

There are three real DBMS options for enterprise - Oracle, PGSQL, MSSQL, and Oracle is the most powerful and least problematic of them.

Companies are not beholding to their customers, they are beholden to stock owners.

I don’t think you realize how much of an improvement this is over other really existent options.

One can be a serf, or a slave, or a city dweller in a privilege-based society, or a peasant in some despotic kingdom. The list of options is long, none are good.

Fuck Oracle,

Suppose so

fuck Sun,

Either you are so ignorant you don’t know what Sun was, or you are out of your fucking mind.

and fuck Larry Ellison

That’s up to everyone, I personally don’t find him that attractive

You’re talking the CEO of a company who sued Google on the premise that header files, a descriptor file for what commands can be used and what parameters they took, should be copyrighted?

Oh. That part I didn’t know.

The CEO who poisoned the OpenOffice community so thoroughly that the fork, LibreOffice, was founded by the leaders of OpenOffice and became the de facto standard instead of the original, and it happened overnight? That guy?

Yeah, that was just the habit probably.

*Humanity problem.

There are some solutions invented, but they require work and revolutionary wars. And the functioning system, I think, will be as close to ancap as to Trotskyism. Won’t be clearly “socialist”.

Especially those who are perfectly in the right legally and morally.

Dunno, Larry well understands what he does unlike most tech CEOs and owners today. Oracle was allied to Sun at some point. Larry has that demonic appearance, but he’s less of a threat than literally anybody else of them. Especially since Larry already has enormous power which he abuses less than expected.

Try pitchforks

You probably mean Windows Phone, not mobile. Yes, Windows Phone 7 and 8 on Nokia phone were really compelling.

No, I mean Windows Mobile. Windows Phone with those tiles - no.

Once Apple had a foot in corporate, their success became cemented.

Dunno, it felt like the cult part fired much earlier and for much longer.

with tons of buttons, styluses and cumbersome user interfaces.

My dad had one. I liked that more. What you call cumbersome I call clean and sharp.

While those rows of vaguely symbolic mildly nauseating icons we have now irritate, overload and suppress me.

And back then I didn’t know that, but making Tcl/Tk programs for Windows Mobile of that time, for example, was as easy as for desktops.

All previous players in the smartphone market Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, Windows mobile were slow to adapt and failed.

Yes, that’s why Stephen Elop went from Microsoft to Nokia, buried Nokia’s relevant smartphone business, then went right back to Microsoft. Blackberry was too business-oriented, they should have marketed more universally.

And they even dropped Maemo. Maemo didn’t have any of Symbian’s supposed “burning” traits. Nobody can persuade me a Linux+Qt based system is worse than iOS, especially of that time.

Dunno about Palm then.

Windows Mobile was Microsoft’s accidental good product, of course they decided to bury that as soon as they found an excuse.

Let’s clarify this - I don’t consider iPhone anything good. Its success is a result of a cultist phenomenon which didn’t lead to anything good either. I agree about Android.

But I can also see how that phenomenon happened, I myself looked in awe at anything Apple, just where I live it was and is considered luxury stuff. I also had this indoctrination from stupid books and articles about Stephen Jobs being some genius and Apple being a good company and the underdog. Had a children’s book about computers with the semi-transparent colored plastic iMac and classic MacOS screenshots, and had seen an ad about the lamp-shaped iMac G5, liked that aesthetic, wanted that. Used QuickTime browser plugin under Windows 2000, and my dad had an iPod. By the time I’ve seen a Mac IRL Apple’s aesthetic mutated into some ugly crap I didn’t like. I still feel that awe in what others do with software like Hotline and KDX and other things that originated on Macs. Apple had a huge emotional capital. Unfortunately, it went the way it went.

and the soviet system of rotating positions also ensured people that were easy to control because they were new to the job.

Not as much the rotation as that it could happen at any moment, a soviet of any level could vote to recall their representative any time, and that meant a chain reaction being possible, because their new representative could initiate a vote on recalling the next level representative, and so on.

If you consider how often that could happen and that a soviet behind every representative of a higher level soviet could do that, you can see that the system could be disrupted by putting pressure at specific soviets, and even inconvenient representatives controlled through that.

While that’s true, it’s still better than what we have now.

Probably why USSR’s breakup really happened - the old system was falling apart, and the democratic movements were using the letter of the law against its spirit to make the country kinda work, and that meant resurrecting the soviet system which was purely symbolic for most of USSR’s existence. People like Sakharov and Starovoitova became politicians for the first time in eight decades.

Hence the GKChP putsch attempt and the agreements between Soviet leaders to dissolve USSR, just when that seemed to start working.

That’s usually a vatnik argument, but people did vote for USSR’s preservation on the referendum, after all. If the loudest people in that democratic movement were just a bit wiser, they’d see that after that they can’t support its dissolution, at least not without a new referendum. And the same in 1993 - if the supposed democratic movement people were wiser, they wouldn’t support Yeltsin technically usurping power.

And every fscking time people judging like that think this time is different and they are smarter.

I don’t like how computing was cool and clean internally, if a bit harsh, like in Star Wars EU or even Foundation (the Foundation would do dishonest things, probably on the track to our reality, but already less), and now it’s becoming arcane, poisonous, messed up and oppressive like in Stargate SG-1. In the goauld part. Can we not be goauld slaves pls?..