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4 days agoIt has very slow segments but I’d agree it was well done mostly, until the end. That ending is the stupidest shit ever. Very disappointing.
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I don’t follow youtube or youtuber drama but you cannot really retroactively change the details I wrote below.
I think LTT reveled in the chance to show “Linux bad”. never would’ve had continued with that update otherwise.
To be honest I’ve had a lot more issues with windows than I have on Linux since I switched mostly to it.
Most times I boot my windows drive I end up spending an hour updating and seeing afterwards something broken, wsl for example. Docker has needed reinstalling several times to keep it functional.
Whereas on Linux only when I update do I see any issue (increasingly rarer all the time), which I choose to update btw. No popups forcing me to all the time. Then rarely even needs a reboot. Drivers almost never needed installed on Linux except for graphics cards for gaming, on windows drivers of all stripes have often been an issue, even today. Again I assert that if Linux came preinstalled, most people would have smoother experiences than on preinstalled windows.
You’re failing to acknowledge that “these types of people exist” are largely a product of anti-educational resources like this particular LTT video. I’ve daily driven Ubuntu based oses for about 4 years solid now and never saw a warning like he saw. That is an extreme outlier, but his video presented it as common in the minds of probably a couple million people.
As for things being plug and play, Windows isn’t either. I’ve used all versions of that OS except 8 and 11 and I’ve had problems as bad or worse than anything on Linux plenty of times. Updates have trashed my ability to boot on a few occasions. Yet to hear folks like you tell it, windows just works but Linux is only usable if you’re willing to fix major problems all the time. That was probably true 15 years ago but it just flat out isn’t anymore. You’re not doing anyone any favors except Microsoft by continuing to spread the misinformation that windows is nearly flawless but Linux is unapproachable.
I will always think that if you type commands you don’t understand, on an OS you don’t understand, in the face of a scary warning that forces you to type a phrase like that, you are an idiot and you get what you get. The fact that pop os had that issue for a brief period isn’t relevant. Linux and related free software has been developed for decades and despite software being one of the hardest things to get right, it’s largely plug and play these days. Some idiot fucking his system up against fair warnings won’t be changing that any time soon. Enjoy you win11 I guess though.
The only way to proceed was in that text and required effort to exactly type a phrase.
I’ve been using pop os for years now and never had an issue installing steam. It’s a great os.
Windows fanboys are the worst
Plus I love how you simps have nothing to say about LTT fucking lying in reviews/benchmarks for money but you’re all dogpiling me to defend a moronic string of actions in Linux. Spare me this shit
If you hate Linux why are you spreading negativity about it in a Linux community?
Well it sounds like we want the same result, but I will submit there already are a few.
I have seen people struggle with install wizards on windows… so basically if we set up some Ubuntu or a similar OS for many people, they’d be happy with it. People just aren’t that great when any speed bump comes up and that’s true on windows also.
I prefer a system that warms me but lets me do what I want with safeguards. But I don’t buy for a second that many people would do this dumb shit. It requires too much effort for one.
Sure – but would they then respond to a prompt reading…
And then typing out that full exact phrase? I might do that, but only expecting/understanding that I may fuck my OS.
Probably block this community then, unless you’re a troll in which case I assume you’ll let me know here.
Yeah, I don’t know either. It’s always possible that one complainer is the issue, but like you said:
When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
Exactly. And for the record I’ve been gaming on pop os since around the time he made the video I linked in this thread and I did not run into that error he got, nor did I ever get presented with a choice to possibly nuke my OS. I don’t get what weird thing he did here.
Yeah, I maintain that it’s not realistic that a person new to linux would do what he did here. I mean, sure, some people might, but the warning on the screen is really fucking clear it’s not a good idea, and it’s not the kind of “OK” modal that people are used to safely dismissing without reading.
It was not a popup. It was a message in a terminal window. Which not only would most users not use, you’d definitely think they would rapid-fire Y when there is scary message in all caps right about the “y/n” prompt.
Edit: it wasn’t even pressing Y. To proceed, he had to ignore the warning which was pretty clear, then type out manually “Yes, do as I say!” then press enter. Regular users who aren’t total morons asking for trouble wouldn’t do that.
He did a video about trying out linux from a novice perspective. It felt pretty disingenuous and likely led many people to conclude they shouldn’t even try it for themselves. The part that was most egregious is that he installed steam in a weird way and on that particular OS config there was a warning that said essentially “IF YOU INSTALL THIS YOUR OS WILL PROBABLY BE BRICKED. CONTINUE?” He concluded a regular user wouldn’t read that message, which I find not believable. It was a very scary warning. He continued with the install and then acted surprised when the system wouldn’t boot anymore afterward, citing it as evidence that linux was not good for the average user. Many pointed out that if he’d installed steam in several other more common ways of doing so, none of that would’ve happened. I think he was doing it exclusively on cli, which a novice would try to avoid.
Also I saw a couple videos others did showing how LTT had hired someone from a big hardware company (forget which) and around that time started giving better reviews to that company’s products and fudging benchmark numbers of competitors to look worse. When others couldn’t recreate those benchmark results and released all the data to prove it, he shrugged it off without really admitting wrongdoing at first, vaguely talking about how they’d done their best. That was a pattern of behavior.
Also one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace, saying it felt really toxic and bad for mental health. Fuck that guy and that company.
Sources:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-recent-criticism-of-linus-tech-tips-explained/
I looked at the wiki page, but I’m still not sure why/how he supports that. Got a link I can read up on?
Edit: read some more and googled more and I don’t see him supporting it, rather it seems he takes issue with trying to dictate to hardware makers what they can do.
That may be, don’t think I’ve heard him talk about anything else. One of my favorite clips ever is his message to nvidia. Some things are worth being angry about. And because of his angry public reaction, I became aware of nvidia’s anti-FOSS efforts. So it’s not all bad imo.
People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
Not forgetting, but he did seem to be holding back a little. To get back into office.