Also, are those battery fires more frequent // important than petrol ones ?

Petrol fires use oxygen from the air. They can be extinguished by removing the oxygen: covering it in firefighting foam, or displacing it with CO2, for example.

Batteries contain both their fuel and their oxidizer together in one case. You can’t remove the oxygen. So long as they are hot enough, they keep burning, even if they are underwater. The only way to extinguish them is to remove the heat. Which is practically impossible.

Mechanical energy storage, like pumped hydro or flywheel. Thermal energy storage, like molten salt.

Electrochemical isn’t entirely off the table either: less-volatile chemistries are available, and better containment methods can reduce risks.

Non-electrical chemical storage methods are available: electrical energy can be used for hydrogen electrolysis, or Fischer-Tropsch hydrocarbon fuels. Fuel cells, traditional ICE generators, or export it from the electrical generation industry to the transportation industry.

There’s also avoiding (or minimizing) the need for storage at all, with “demand shaping”. Basically, we radically overbuild solar, wind, wave, tidal, etc. Normally, that would tank energy prices and be unprofitable, but we also build out some massive, flexible demand to buy this excess power. Because they are extremely overbuilt, the minimal output from these sources during suboptimal conditions is more than enough to meet normal demands; we just shut off the flexible additional demand we added.

Nobody’s ever died from a dam collapse.

Do protocols solve the problem of every hop in between you and the destination has to pass through what amounts to someone else’s private property?

Yes. End-to-end encryption solves that.

Yeah, this is about the 15th time they’ve done that.

It’s easier and more effective to just get yourself banned.

Post with a screenshot someone posted elsewhere in the thread

Yeah, they were responding to me. :)

I’ve never had any emergency alerts here in AZ be remotely this useless.

Ohio’s include descriptions of suspects, victims, vehicles, locations, etc.

A bunch of people, you included, told me they read the article, and then cited that article as their source. I asked for a screenshot of the alert, and explained how to get it. Eventually, someone provided the screenshot I requested, and demonstrated that this particular alert differs from every other alert I have ever seen:

https://lemmy.world/comment/14302173

ACKSUALLY, I did accept it, just as soon as someone posted a screenshot of the alert in question. Which I promptly posted in several other comments.

Given the abhorrent state of modern journalism, and the lack of a simple screenshot that would have conclusively demonstrated the problem, “skepticism” was justified.

Yep! I finally got confirmation of that when someone posted a screenshot of the alert.

What a bunch of chucklefucks.

WEA messages aren’t push notificationn, nor are they SMS messages like Australia uses. They are a separate system. Our phones are configured to pop up the message over everything, and they default with a loud, unique alert tone.

Some WEA messages can be blocked; some cannot.

They aren’t supposed to be used to just send links; they are supposed to send the actual message. This is the first time I’ve heard of an Amber Alert that didn’t include details about the suspect and victim.

You would have gotten this one, because it was a Wireless Emergency Alert, not a Xhitter notification.

Thank you!

Can you share a screenshot of the alert? If it’s an android phone, you can find historical alerts under “Settings”.

Yes, that is the claim I’m looking to verify. Is that claim accurate?

You can view past alerts you have received. On android phones, Settings > Notifications > Wireless Emergency Alerts > Emergency alert history. (or just search for “Amber”). One screenshot can easily prove or disprove the article’s claim.

Again, if this is actually what happened, it indicates a problem not just with CHP, but also with EAS and WEA for not ensuring the requested alert message included the emergency content.

On an android phone, under Settings, you can view past emergency alerts, including AMBER alerts. I’d like to see a screenshot of this particular alert.

If that alert does not include the actual information, I’ll be happy to pick up my pitchfork. Hell, I’ll even start boiling some tar, but I don’t have a good supplier for feathers…

Until then, what the author is describing does not correspond to my own experiences receiving AMBER alerts, and seems to contradict WEA and EAS policies. I’m open to being proven wrong, I’m just skeptical.

If CHP is only sending Xhitter links, there are problems with CHP, EAS, and WEA, as none of them are supposed to be using the systems that way.

If, instead, they are providing the data and the Xhitter link, the problem is with user expectations.

The government uses EAS and WEA to disseminate alerts. Both are government-operated systems that are not controlled, manipulated, lost, or disconnected by third parties. The AMBER alert in question was delivered via both EAS and WEA.

The Xhitter avenue (along with every other major social media platform) is what they refer to as a “secondary distributor”.

Ah. I see. The alerts were conveyed directly to phones via primary avenues: Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) and Emergency Alert System (EAS). Those alerts included a link to their Xhitter account.

Every Amber alert I’ve seen has included location, name of the adult, license plate, vehicle description, a description of the child, etc. Most include come kind of link (secondary avenue) that (in my experience) just shows the content from the alert, and doesn’t actually provide any further detail.

Have we confirmed that this alert included only the link to Xhitter, without the other data? If that is actually the case, it’s not just the CHP’s failure, but also the managers of the WEA and EAS systems: They aren’t supposed to activate those systems without the actual message.

this is really just a problem with government agencies/departments using social media websites as primary avenues of delivering information.

I guarantee that this was not a “primary avenue” for delivering this information.

Edit: I was wrong. Finally got the confirmation that should have been included in the article from the beginning:

I love these old, mostly-harmless traditions.